[Dovecot] "failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space." with large mail
Hello,
I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering.
The mails goes getmail->postfix->dovecot delivery agent
Is the mail written to any other place than the maildir folder? Even though all my temp folders should also be able to hold some megabytes...
Thanks for any help, Johannes
message: *sieve: info: started log at ... error: msgid=<XXX>: failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. * dovecot --version 1.2.10
dovecot -n
1.2.10: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
OS: Linux 2.6.26-2-686 i686 Debian 5.0.4 xfs
log_timestamp: %Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S protocols: imaps ssl_cert_file: /etc/certificates/XXX ssl_key_file: /etc/certificates/XXX login_dir: /var/run/dovecot/login login_executable: /usr/lib/dovecot/imap-login login_greeting: XXX mail_access_groups: mail mail_location: maildir:/services/mail/%u mbox_write_locks: fcntl dotlock lda: postmaster_address: root mail_plugins: sieve auth default: verbose: yes passdb: driver: pam userdb: driver: passwd plugin: sieve: /var/sieve-scripts/%u/filter.sieve
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 21:48 +0200, Johannes Dröge wrote:
Hello,
I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering.
The mails goes getmail->postfix->dovecot delivery agent
Is the mail written to any other place than the maildir folder? Even though all my temp folders should also be able to hold some megabytes...
should be able to ? how much disk space is free? this indicates what it says, there is not enough disk space
Thanks for any help, Johannes
message: *sieve: info: started log at ... error: msgid=<XXX>: failed to store into mailbox 'INBOX': Not enough disk space. *
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 08:28 +1000, Noel Butler wrote:
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 21:48 +0200, Johannes Dröge wrote:
Hello,
I am having this error message on some rare emails with more than 6 mb or so. Neither the dovecot server nor the filesystem where the maildir resides have any quota or are full at the time of delivering.
The mails goes getmail->postfix->dovecot delivery agent
Is the mail written to any other place than the maildir folder? Even though all my temp folders should also be able to hold some megabytes...
should be able to ? how much disk space is free? this indicates what it says, there is not enough disk space
I shouldn't do lists before I finish my first coffee of teh day :->
I missed your using system accounts so Charles may be on the right
track, you need to find the size of your existing mailbox,
search for mailbox_size_limit if you have not altered this value in
main.cf use postconf -d to see its value, about 50MB I think.
postfix uses a rather small value as default size limit, you may not have 6 MB free in that limit. alter it to 100MB or something like that. You can also set it to 0 to disable the limit.
Cheers
Noel Butler put forth on 6/9/2010 5:40 PM:
I shouldn't do lists before I finish my first coffee of teh day :->
I forgive you Noel. :)
I missed your using system accounts so Charles may be on the right track, you need to find the size of your existing mailbox,
search for mailbox_size_limit if you have not altered this value in main.cf use postconf -d to see its value, about 50MB I think.postfix uses a rather small value as default size limit, you may not have 6 MB free in that limit. alter it to 100MB or something like that. You can also set it to 0 to disable the limit.
After I ran into this I whipped up the docs to better help folks who run into this problem (and save time of folks assisting, as they can just paste the link now):
http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix
BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used.
-- Stan
On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used.
So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me?
It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB...
;)
--
Best regards,
Charles
Am 10.06.2010 17:19, schrieb Charles Marcus:
On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used.
So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me?
It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB...
Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply " on google I have 7 GB mail space". JC
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:54, Jakob Curdes <jc@info-systems.de> wrote:
Am 10.06.2010 17:19, schrieb Charles Marcus:
On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used.
So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me?
It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB...
Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply " on google I have 7 GB mail space". JC
Create a folder for them called "Google" and tell them to move mail from their INBOX over to the "Google" folder because it has lots more space :-)
On 2010-06-10 1:24 PM, Phil Howard wrote:
Create a folder for them called "Google" and tell them to move mail from their INBOX over to the "Google" folder because it has lots more space :-)
The sad thing is, this would probably work for most of them...
--
Best regards,
Charles
Jakob Curdes put forth on 6/10/2010 10:54 AM:
Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply " on google I have 7 GB mail space".
I wonder how often Google does full disaster recovery off site backup/mirroring of all those millions of _free_ 7GB mailboxen. AFAIK, Google makes no guarantees WRT mailbox contents. They may have full multi site redundancy, but I've yet to read a whitepaper describing it.
-- Stan
On 11.6.2010, at 4.23, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Jakob Curdes put forth on 6/10/2010 10:54 AM:
Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply " on google I have 7 GB mail space".
I wonder how often Google does full disaster recovery off site backup/mirroring of all those millions of _free_ 7GB mailboxen. AFAIK, Google makes no guarantees WRT mailbox contents. They may have full multi site redundancy, but I've yet to read a whitepaper describing it.
GMail (probably) uses Bigtable, which does have a whitepaper: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/labs.goo...
Timo Sirainen put forth on 6/10/2010 10:54 PM:
On 11.6.2010, at 4.23, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Jakob Curdes put forth on 6/10/2010 10:54 AM:
Same here, we run a mailbox_size_limit of 700MB and have several users regularly hitting the limit. Can't really slap them as they would reply " on google I have 7 GB mail space".
I wonder how often Google does full disaster recovery off site backup/mirroring of all those millions of _free_ 7GB mailboxen. AFAIK, Google makes no guarantees WRT mailbox contents. They may have full multi site redundancy, but I've yet to read a whitepaper describing it.
GMail (probably) uses Bigtable, which does have a whitepaper: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/labs.goo...
Thanks Timo. I'm surprised I hadn't run across this yet. I've been curious about it for a while now.
-- Stan
On 2010-06-10 11:23 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I wonder how often Google does full disaster recovery off site backup/mirroring of all those millions of _free_ 7GB mailboxen. AFAIK, Google makes no guarantees WRT mailbox contents. They may have full multi site redundancy, but I've yet to read a whitepaper describing it.
Anyone who stores critical email on a free service gets no sympathy from me if they lose anything. That said, I've only heard a few horror stories of services losing all of someone's email (I think it was hotmail, many years ago, some woman used it exclusively for her business email and lost like 7 years worth of critical emails).
They're actually pretty reliable... but for me its more the privacy (or lack thereof) issue that keeps me from using them more...
--
Best regards,
Charles
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 09:17 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
They're actually pretty reliable... but for me its more the privacy (or lack thereof) issue that keeps me from using them more...
eh? you have far more risk of privacy invasion from google (by their own admission so they know how to spam you) than hotmail
On 2010-06-11 9:21 AM, Noel Butler wrote:
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 09:17 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
They're actually pretty reliable... but for me its more the privacy (or lack thereof) issue that keeps me from using them more...
eh? you have far more risk of privacy invasion from google (by their own admission so they know how to spam you) than hotmail
When I said 'them', I meant free services in general, but yeah, I was mostly talking about gmail. I only mentioned hotmail specifically because that was the only one I remembered specifically where someone lost *all* of their email.
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Best regards,
Charles
Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-06-11 9:21 AM, Noel Butler wrote: When I said 'them', I meant free services in general, but yeah, I was mostly talking about gmail. I only mentioned hotmail specifically because that was the only one I remembered specifically where someone lost *all* of their email.
Maybe his/her account was disabled due to inactivity.
On 2010-06-11 10:06 AM, Rodolfo González González wrote:
Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-06-11 9:21 AM, Noel Butler wrote: When I said 'them', I meant free services in general, but yeah, I was mostly talking about gmail. I only mentioned hotmail specifically because that was the only one I remembered specifically where someone lost *all* of their email.
Maybe his/her account was disabled due to inactivity.
No... there was a huge story on the internet about it, she was just dumb enough to run her entire business on hotmail. They (hotmail) had some kind of 'problem' (I don't remember if they ever disclosed any details), and they admitted that they lost a bunch of users emails...
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Best regards,
Charles
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/10/2010 10:19 AM:
On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used.
So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me?
It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB...
O-M-G!? We may as well skip the punishment/re-education of these folks and march them straight to the firing squad. ;)
You're talking just _Inbox_ of those sizes right? No sub folders? If so, yes, definitely to the firing squad they go. :)
-- Stan
On 2010-06-10 11:06 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/10/2010 10:19 AM:
On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used.
So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me?
It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB...
O-M-G!? We may as well skip the punishment/re-education of these folks and march them straight to the firing squad. ;)
You're talking just _Inbox_ of those sizes right? No sub folders?
Right - most don't use sub folders, no matter how much I explain to them the benefits of at least creating a 'Saved' folder and moving them from the Inbox to there.
Our problem is, we deal with a lot of large attachments (we're in the advertising industry), so lots of creative changing hands...
On a side note - I no longer recommend creating lots of folders - it makes searching email more complicated than it needs to be. TB's virtual folder support is pretty good now, so keeping all of the message sin just a few folders makes more sense. I usually recommend storing them by year or something like that.
If so, yes, definitely to the firing squad they go. :)
I wish... ;)
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Best regards,
Charles
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 23:06, Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com> wrote:
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/10/2010 10:19 AM:
On 2010-06-10 3:31 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
BTW, anyone who has a 44MB INBOX should be slapped repeatedly about the cranium and then educated about POP and IMAP, and how each should be used.
So, Stan, how much will you charge to come do the honors for me?
It will probably be in the neighborhood of 50 users with Inboxes over 1GB, some over 5GB...
O-M-G!? We may as well skip the punishment/re-education of these folks and march them straight to the firing squad. ;)
You're talking just _Inbox_ of those sizes right? No sub folders? If so, yes, definitely to the firing squad they go. :)
How about just autodeleting INBOX after N days? I think I might just go ahead and automate that on the server ... but just move the "deleted" mail to a real "Trash" folder (maybe with a different name). Hmmm ... what to pick for N.
On 2010-06-09 6:40 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
I missed your using system accounts so Charles may be on the right track, you need to find the size of your existing mailbox,
search for mailbox_size_limit if you have not altered this value in main.cf use postconf -d to see its value, about 50MB I think.postfix uses a rather small value as default size limit,
Default is 51200000 (or about 50MB), so if this is the problem, it was changed...
you may not have 6 MB free in that limit. alter it to 100MB or something like that. You can also set it to 0 to disable the limit.
Yeah, but that's never a good idea or necessary in any regard.
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Best regards,
Charles
participants (8)
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Charles Marcus
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Jakob Curdes
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Johannes Dröge
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Noel Butler
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Phil Howard
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Rodolfo González González
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Stan Hoeppner
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Timo Sirainen